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- From: Daniel Schepler <dschepler AT gmail.com>
- To: Dan Doel <dan.doel AT gmail.com>, coq-club AT inria.fr
- Cc: Andreas Abel <andreas.abel AT ifi.lmu.de>, Adam Chlipala <adamc AT csail.mit.edu>, AUGER C�dric <Cedric.Auger AT lri.fr>
- Subject: Re: [Coq-Club] Positivity and Elimination Principle
- Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 13:07:04 -0800
On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 11:43 AM, Dan Doel <dan.doel AT gmail.com> wrote:
I think the main reason positive-but-not-strictly types are rejected
is that they aren't set theoretic in general. That is, you can
construct types such that:
T ~ (T -> 2) -> 2
but there is no such set. So if you're committed to your models being
set theoretic, you can't have such types (this is, I think, the
same/similar observation as Reynolds' original paper on models of
polymorphic type theory in sets).
Replace 2 with Prop, and the existence of such a type T is inconsistent. First, no function f : P(T) -> T can be injective, by the following variation of Cantor diagonalization: consider S0 = { f(S) : ~(f(S) in S) } = { t:T | exists S:P(T), f(S) = t /\ ~ (t in S) }. Then f(S0) in S0 -> exists S, f(S) = f(S0) /\ ~ (f(S0) in S). By the injectivity of f, this implies a contradiction ~(f(S0) in S0); so overall, we know ~(f(S0) in S0). But then f(S0) in S0 because f(S0) = f(S0) /\ ~ (f(S0) in S0). So the assumption that f is injective leads to a contradiction.
Now if we have an injective map ((T -> Prop) -> Prop) -> T, which must exist if T ~ (T -> Prop) -> Prop, then @eq (T -> Prop) : (T -> Prop) -> ((T -> Prop) -> Prop) is also injective; so the composition : (T -> Prop) -> T is injective, contradicting the previous paragraph.
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Daniel Schepler
- Re: [Coq-Club] Positivity and Elimination Principle, (continued)
- Re: [Coq-Club] Positivity and Elimination Principle,
Adam Chlipala
- Re: [Coq-Club] Positivity and Elimination Principle,
Chung-Kil Hur
- Re: [Coq-Club] Positivity and Elimination Principle,
Adam Chlipala
- Re: [Coq-Club] Positivity and Elimination Principle, Chung-Kil Hur
- Re: [Coq-Club] Positivity and Elimination Principle, AUGER Cédric
- Re: [Coq-Club] Positivity and Elimination Principle,
Adam Chlipala
- Re: [Coq-Club] Positivity and Elimination Principle,
Jean-Francois Monin
- Re: [Coq-Club] Positivity and Elimination Principle,
AUGER Cédric
- Re: [Coq-Club] Positivity and Elimination Principle,
Adam Chlipala
- Re: [Coq-Club] Positivity and Elimination Principle,
Andreas Abel
- Re: [Coq-Club] Positivity and Elimination Principle,
Dan Doel
- Re: [Coq-Club] Positivity and Elimination Principle, Daniel Schepler
- Re: [Coq-Club] Positivity and Elimination Principle, Daniel Schepler
- Re: [Coq-Club] Positivity and Elimination Principle, Dan Doel
- Re: [Coq-Club] Positivity and Elimination Principle, Daniel Schepler
- Re: [Coq-Club] Positivity and Elimination Principle, Dan Doel
- Re: [Coq-Club] Positivity and Elimination Principle, Daniel Schepler
- Re: [Coq-Club] Positivity and Elimination Principle, Dan Doel
- Re: [Coq-Club] Positivity and Elimination Principle, roconnor
- Re: [Coq-Club] Positivity and Elimination Principle, Daniel Schepler
- Re: [Coq-Club] Positivity and Elimination Principle,
Dan Doel
- Re: [Coq-Club] Positivity and Elimination Principle,
Andreas Abel
- Re: [Coq-Club] Positivity and Elimination Principle,
Adam Chlipala
- Re: [Coq-Club] Positivity and Elimination Principle,
AUGER Cédric
- Re: [Coq-Club] Positivity and Elimination Principle, Andreas Abel
- Re: [Coq-Club] Positivity and Elimination Principle, AUGER Cédric
- Re: [Coq-Club] Positivity and Elimination Principle,
Chung-Kil Hur
- Re: [Coq-Club] Positivity and Elimination Principle,
Adam Chlipala
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