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- From: Tadeusz Litak <tadeusz.litak AT gmail.com>
- To: Derek Dreyer <dreyer AT mpi-sws.org>, coq-club AT inria.fr
- Cc: Stefan Monnier <monnier AT iro.umontreal.ca>, Klaus Ostermann <klaus.ostermann AT uni-tuebingen.de>
- Subject: Re: [Coq-Club] Shut Down PL
- Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2020 00:33:36 +0200
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Dear Derek,
On 09.06.20 23:46, Derek Dreyer wrote:
a broad claim was made that "We in
the global programming languages community acknowledge that every
institution in our society is built on a foundation of white
supremacy—and our academic systems and research industry are no
exception." I agree with this claim, as I'm sure do many others on
this list. I guess perhaps you don't, in which case the announced
event is probably not for you. But I don't see how you can argue that
there is anything unusual or unscientific or "political"
if you don't see what is unscientific or political about the claim you're quoting, or if you believe that this claim can be legitimately called "assumed knowledge" in any meaningful sense (especially comparable to the lambda calculus capturing the nature of computation!), we might not share enough basic assumptions (or axioms) to continue this particular discussion constructively. Which worries me given the respect I have for you otherwise, but c'est la vie.
It's one thing to have a political belief, no matter how outlandish, or how popular. It's another thing to present it as a self-evident claim that every reasonable person must agree with, in particular as an implicit view of the entire community. This is precisely the phenomenon described as "moral grandstanding" and you cannot blame people for saying "not in my name, please".
Whenever this happens, a conflict ensues.
That's all.
t.
- [Coq-Club] Shut Down PL, Talia Ringer, 06/09/2020
- Re: [Coq-Club] Shut Down PL, Crime Master Gogo, 06/09/2020
- Re: [Coq-Club] Shut Down PL, Beta Ziliani, 06/09/2020
- Re: [Coq-Club] Shut Down PL, Arnaud Bailly, 06/09/2020
- Re: [Coq-Club] Shut Down PL, Klaus Ostermann, 06/09/2020
- Re: [Coq-Club] Shut Down PL, Stefan Monnier, 06/09/2020
- Re: [Coq-Club] Shut Down PL, Tadeusz Litak, 06/09/2020
- Re: [Coq-Club] Shut Down PL, Derek Dreyer, 06/09/2020
- Re: [Coq-Club] Shut Down PL, Tadeusz Litak, 06/10/2020
- Re: [Coq-Club] Shut Down PL, Derek Dreyer, 06/10/2020
- Re: [Coq-Club] Shut Down PL, Christine Rizkallah, 06/10/2020
- Re: [Coq-Club] Shut Down PL, Randall Holmes, 06/10/2020
- Re: [Coq-Club] Shut Down PL, Talia Ringer, 06/10/2020
- Re: [Coq-Club] Shut Down PL, Yishuai Li, 06/10/2020
- Re: [Coq-Club] Shut Down PL, Dominique Larchey-Wendling, 06/10/2020
- Re: [Coq-Club] Shut Down PL, Talia Ringer, 06/10/2020
- Re: [Coq-Club] Shut Down PL, Xuanrui Qi, 06/10/2020
- Re: [Coq-Club] Shut Down PL, Mehmet Oguz Derin, 06/10/2020
- Re: [Coq-Club] Shut Down PL, Eddy Westbrook, 06/10/2020
- Re: [Coq-Club] Shut Down PL, Tadeusz Litak, 06/09/2020
- Re: [Coq-Club] Shut Down PL, Stefan Monnier, 06/09/2020
- Re: [Coq-Club] Shut Down PL, Klaus Ostermann, 06/09/2020
- Re: [Coq-Club] Shut Down PL, Arnaud Bailly, 06/09/2020
- Re: [Coq-Club] Shut Down PL, Beta Ziliani, 06/09/2020
- Re: [Coq-Club] Shut Down PL, Crime Master Gogo, 06/09/2020
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