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Re: [Coq-Club] Without law-of-excluded-middles, do we need a hierarchy of Types?
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- From: Arnaud Spiwack <aspiwack AT lix.polytechnique.fr>
- To: "J. Ian Johnson" <ianj AT ccs.neu.edu>
- Cc: t x <txrev319 AT gmail.com>, coq-club <coq-club AT inria.fr>
- Subject: Re: [Coq-Club] Without law-of-excluded-middles, do we need a hierarchy of Types?
- Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2013 16:37:14 +0100
Actually, Russell's paradox is constructive.
You can easily prove (A<->~A) -> False. (The key point is that (A->~A)->~A).
From there, you can have fun proving Russell's paradox in a suitable variant of Coq. It's a bit of work, though. It's been done by Miquel. Girard's or Hurkens's paradoxes are more straightforward. Girard's paradox is actually, if I remember correctly, a variant of Burali-Forti's one, on the ordinal of all ordinals.
You can easily prove (A<->~A) -> False. (The key point is that (A->~A)->~A).
From there, you can have fun proving Russell's paradox in a suitable variant of Coq. It's a bit of work, though. It's been done by Miquel. Girard's or Hurkens's paradoxes are more straightforward. Girard's paradox is actually, if I remember correctly, a variant of Burali-Forti's one, on the ordinal of all ordinals.
On 28 October 2013 16:06, J. Ian Johnson <ianj AT ccs.neu.edu> wrote:
Girard's paradox arises when you don't have predicativity.
http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/type-theory/
-Ian
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From: "t x" <txrev319 AT gmail.com>
To: "coq-club" <coq-club AT inria.fr>
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Subject: [Coq-Club] Without law-of-excluded-middles, do we need a hierarchy of Types?
Definitions (in case the true meaning of a word is different from my understanding of it)
Law of excluded-middles:
forall (P: Prop), P \/ (P -> False)
Hierarchy of Types:
type_of(nat) = Type0
type_of(Type0) = Type1
type_of(Type1) = Type2
...
Paradox with "sets of sets":
X = { s | s \not\in s }
In classical logic, there's the argument:
does X \in X?
if yes, then X \not\in X, contradiction
if not, then X \in X, contradiction
However, in constructive logic, since we don't have the law of excluded middles, it could just be that for "P = X \in X?", we can neither prove P nor prove (P -> False).
Thus, my question: why does Coq have a hierarchy of Types?
Thanks!
- [Coq-Club] Without law-of-excluded-middles, do we need a hierarchy of Types?, t x, 10/28/2013
- Re: [Coq-Club] Without law-of-excluded-middles, do we need a hierarchy of Types?, J. Ian Johnson, 10/28/2013
- Re: [Coq-Club] Without law-of-excluded-middles, do we need a hierarchy of Types?, Arnaud Spiwack, 10/28/2013
- Re: [Coq-Club] Without law-of-excluded-middles, do we need a hierarchy of Types?, Guillaume Brunerie, 10/28/2013
- Re: [Coq-Club] Without law-of-excluded-middles, do we need a hierarchy of Types?, Cedric Auger, 10/28/2013
- Re: [Coq-Club] Without law-of-excluded-middles, do we need a hierarchy of Types?, J. Ian Johnson, 10/28/2013
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