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- From: Jonathan <jonikelee AT gmail.com>
- To: coq-club AT inria.fr
- Subject: Re: [Coq-Club] Unusual drinker-like paradox
- Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2014 21:12:54 -0400
On 10/01/2014 09:01 PM, Eddy Westbrook wrote:
The nondep_AC axiom below is, I think, equivalent to the Type-Theoretic
Description Axiom (TTDA), which is this:
Definition TTDA : Type :=
forall (A B : Type) (P : A -> B -> Prop),
(forall (a : A), exists b, P a b) ->
(exists f, forall (a : A), P a (f a)).
That looks like Coq.Logic.ClassicalChoice.choice.
TTDA has some sort of non-constructive content, in that it, with
propositional Excluded Middle, allows you to prove informative Excluded
Middle. I am not what TTDA just by itself allows, however.
-Eddy
On Oct 1, 2014, at 5:29 AM, Pierre-Marie Pédrot
<pierre-marie.pedrot AT inria.fr>
wrote:
On 30/09/2014 22:47, Jonathan wrote:
Anyone seen it before?It seems instead equivalent to a weak form of a non-dependent axiom of
choice, rather than to excluded middle :
Definition nondep_AC := forall A B, (A -> inhabited B) -> inhabited (A
-> B).
Definition escape := forall A, inhabited (inhabited A -> A).
Lemma dir : nondep_AC -> escape.
Proof.
intros ac A; apply ac; trivial.
Qed.
Lemma rev : escape -> nondep_AC.
Proof.
intros esc A B f.
destruct (esc B) as [g].
constructor; auto.
Qed.
PMP
- Re: [Coq-Club] Unusual drinker-like paradox, Robert Dockins, 10/01/2014
- <Possible follow-up(s)>
- Re: [Coq-Club] Unusual drinker-like paradox, Pierre-Marie Pédrot, 10/01/2014
- Re: [Coq-Club] Unusual drinker-like paradox, Arnaud Spiwack, 10/01/2014
- Re: [Coq-Club] Unusual drinker-like paradox, Eddy Westbrook, 10/02/2014
- Re: [Coq-Club] Unusual drinker-like paradox, Jonathan, 10/02/2014
- Re: [Coq-Club] Unusual drinker-like paradox, Eddy Westbrook, 10/02/2014
- Re: [Coq-Club] Unusual drinker-like paradox, Arnaud Spiwack, 10/02/2014
- Re: [Coq-Club] Unusual drinker-like paradox, Eddy Westbrook, 10/02/2014
- Re: [Coq-Club] Unusual drinker-like paradox, Jonathan, 10/02/2014
- Re: [Coq-Club] Unusual drinker-like paradox, Arnaud Spiwack, 10/07/2014
- Re: [Coq-Club] Unusual drinker-like paradox, Eddy Westbrook, 10/07/2014
- Re: [Coq-Club] Unusual drinker-like paradox, Jonathan, 10/07/2014
- Re: [Coq-Club] Unusual drinker-like paradox, Eddy Westbrook, 10/02/2014
- Re: [Coq-Club] Unusual drinker-like paradox, Arnaud Spiwack, 10/02/2014
- Re: [Coq-Club] Unusual drinker-like paradox, Eddy Westbrook, 10/02/2014
- Re: [Coq-Club] Unusual drinker-like paradox, Jonathan, 10/02/2014
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