coq-club AT inria.fr
Subject: The Coq mailing list
List archive
- From: Adam Chlipala <adam AT chlipala.net>
- To: Georgi Guninski <guninski AT guninski.com>
- Cc: coq-club AT inria.fr
- Subject: Re: [Coq-Club] Is the Daniel Schepler's inconsistency real?
- Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2011 09:34:05 -0400
Georgi Guninski wrote:
if you read the message you would realize i was asking about
*modifications* of his code. here are two files - one takes T as axiom,
the other takes ~T as axiom and in both cases False is proven (one of
the proofs should be real unless i miss something)
Neither proof is showing an inconsistency in Coq. Rather, you've shown that [uat_maximal_card] is an inconsistent axiom even by itself, and [uat_not_maximal_card] is inconsistent with [eq_rect_eq].
The key thing to understand here is that, in Coq, proofs may change theorem statements, even the statements of past, already-proved theorems! Every occurrence of [Type] is implicitly annotated with a universe variable. Any part of a development that depends on such a variable may add constraints on it, in a very "imperative" way. Checking these constraints is crucial for consistency.
Daniel's proofs tweak universe variables in a way that makes your "axioms" weaker. The untweaked versions are strong enough to be inconsistent, but the tweaked ones are fine.
The moral of the story is to try to avoid axioms whenever you can. ;)
- [Coq-Club] Is the Daniel Schepler's inconsistency real?, Georgi Guninski
- Re: [Coq-Club] Is the Daniel Schepler's inconsistency real?,
Adam Chlipala
- Re: [Coq-Club] Is the Daniel Schepler's inconsistency real?,
Georgi Guninski
- Re: [Coq-Club] Is the Daniel Schepler's inconsistency real?, Adam Chlipala
- Re: [Coq-Club] Is the Daniel Schepler's inconsistency real?,
Georgi Guninski
- Re: [Coq-Club] Is the Daniel Schepler's inconsistency real?,
Adam Chlipala
- Re: [Coq-Club] Is the Daniel Schepler's inconsistency real?,
Georgi Guninski
- Re: [Coq-Club] Is the Daniel Schepler's inconsistency real?, Adam Chlipala
- Re: [Coq-Club] Is the Daniel Schepler's inconsistency real?, Mathieu Boespflug
- Re: [Coq-Club] Is the Daniel Schepler's inconsistency real?,
Georgi Guninski
- Re: [Coq-Club] Is the Daniel Schepler's inconsistency real?,
Adam Chlipala
- Re: [Coq-Club] Is the Daniel Schepler's inconsistency real?,
Georgi Guninski
- Re: [Coq-Club] Is the Daniel Schepler's inconsistency real?, Adam Chlipala
- Re: [Coq-Club] Is the Daniel Schepler's inconsistency real?, gallais @ ensl.org
- Re: [Coq-Club] Is the Daniel Schepler's inconsistency real?,
Georgi Guninski
- Re: [Coq-Club] Is the Daniel Schepler's inconsistency real?,
Adam Chlipala
- [Coq-Club] Re: Is the Daniel Schepler's inconsistency real?,
Daniel Schepler
- Message not available
- Re: [Coq-Club] Re: Is the Daniel Schepler's inconsistency real?,
Daniel Schepler
- Re: [Coq-Club] Re: Is the Daniel Schepler's inconsistency real?, Georgi Guninski
- Re: [Coq-Club] Re: Is the Daniel Schepler's inconsistency real?,
Daniel Schepler
- Message not available
Archive powered by MhonArc 2.6.16.