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- From: Vladimir Voevodsky <vladimir AT ias.edu>
- To: Victor Porton <porton AT narod.ru>
- Cc: Vladimir Aleksandrovich Voevodsky <vladimir AT ias.edu>, Coq <coq-club AT inria.fr>
- Subject: Re: [Coq-Club] Existence of a generalization
- Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2011 08:12:34 -0400
On Nov 2, 2011, at 8:27 PM, Victor Porton wrote:
> I want to prove the following statement (or maybe to make it an axiom):
>
> Let S and B are sets and E is an injection from S to B. Then exists a set
> B' and a bijection M from B to B' such that
> M o E = id_S.
As far as I understand this statement makes sense in
1. ZF and its versions ( either by themselves or simulated in some other
deduction system )
2. possibly type systems with syntactic sub-typing (see below)
It does not make any obvious sense in the standard type systems for the
following reason. The composition M o E maps S to B' . You want to choose B'
such that this functions is "identity on S" which makes no sense in the usual
type theory since identity there can only be from S to S and not from S to
B'.
If there was a syntactically distinguished class of "inclusions" in the type
system ( which actually can make sense for another reason - the theory of
cofibrations ) then your construction would start from an inclusion E : S ->
B and create a new type B' and ( let me use M^{-1} instead of M ) a
decomposition S -> B' -> B of E where the first function is a "syntactic
inclusion" and the second is a bijection.
Vladimir.
- Re: [Coq-Club] Existence of a generalization, (continued)
- Re: [Coq-Club] Existence of a generalization,
Adam Chlipala
- Re: [Coq-Club] Existence of a generalization,
Guillaume Yziquel
- Re: [Coq-Club] Existence of a generalization,
Matthieu Sozeau
- Re: [Coq-Club] Existence of a generalization,
Guillaume Yziquel
- Re: [Coq-Club] Existence of a generalization, Matthieu Sozeau
- Re: [Coq-Club] Existence of a generalization,
Guillaume Yziquel
- Re: [Coq-Club] Existence of a generalization,
Jean-Francois Monin
- Re: [Coq-Club] Existence of a generalization, Guillaume Yziquel
- Re: [Coq-Club] Existence of a generalization,
Matthieu Sozeau
- Re: [Coq-Club] Existence of a generalization,
Guillaume Yziquel
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- Re: [Coq-Club] Existence of a generalization,
Bruno Barras
- Re: [Coq-Club] Existence of a generalization, Vladimir Voevodsky
- Re: [Coq-Club] Existence of a generalization,
Bruno Barras
- Re: [Coq-Club] Existence of a generalization, Tom Prince
- Re: [Coq-Club] Existence of a generalization, Vladimir Voevodsky
- Re: [Coq-Club] Existence of a generalization,
Adam Chlipala
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