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- From: Saint Wesonga <saintwesonga AT gmail.com>
- To: Chad E Brown <cebrown2323 AT yahoo.com>
- Cc: Bernard Hurley <bernard AT marcade.biz>, "coq-club AT inria.fr" <coq-club AT inria.fr>
- Subject: Re: [Coq-Club] Inversion of a Prop Hypothesis
- Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 12:47:43 -0600
I figured out how to solve the proof I was working on without doing the case splitting which led to this scenario. Thank you very much for your insightful explanations though.
On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 8:15 AM, Chad E Brown <cebrown2323 AT yahoo.com> wrote:
(~p -> p) implies ~~p constructively, and p classically.It does not imply ~p and it does not imply False.Variable p : Prop.Goal ((~p -> p) -> ~~p).exact (fun f g => g (f g)).Qed.Hope this helps,Chad
From: Bernard Hurley <bernard AT marcade.biz>
To: Adam Chlipala <adamc AT csail.mit.edu>
Cc: coq-club AT inria.fr
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 3:56 PM
Subject: Re: [Coq-Club] Inversion of a Prop Hypothesis
The point I was making is that in Classical logic if you can derive P from ¬P from this you can derive ¬P giving a contradiction. It is easy to imagine this can be done in a case like this,
On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 09:23:53AM -0400, Adam Chlipala wrote:
> On 04/23/2012 09:20 AM, Bernard Hurley wrote:
>> I think Saint is trying to obtain a contradiction from the fact that
>> he can prove v = v0 from v = v0 -> False.
>
> There fairly clearly is no contradiction inherent in such a deduction.
> For instance, let [v = 0] and [v0 = 0]. The goal would be proved by
> reflexivity.
However in Intitionistic logic "I can derive P from ¬P" informally means something like:Clearly this does not allow you to find a proof that "a proof of P is impossible" which is what you need to prove ¬P, so no contradiction can be derived without some further assumptions (e.g. that P is decidable.)
"I have a construction that would turn a proof that 'a proof of P is impossible' into a proof of P."
Bernard.
- [Coq-Club] Inversion of a Prop Hypothesis, wesongathedeveloper
- Re: [Coq-Club] Inversion of a Prop Hypothesis,
Alan Schmitt
- Re: [Coq-Club] Inversion of a Prop Hypothesis,
Bernard Hurley
- Re: [Coq-Club] Inversion of a Prop Hypothesis,
Adam Chlipala
- Re: [Coq-Club] Inversion of a Prop Hypothesis,
Bernard Hurley
- Re: [Coq-Club] Inversion of a Prop Hypothesis,
Chad E Brown
- Re: [Coq-Club] Inversion of a Prop Hypothesis,
Bernard Hurley
- Re: [Coq-Club] Inversion of a Prop Hypothesis, Jonas Oberhauser
- Re: [Coq-Club] Inversion of a Prop Hypothesis, Saint Wesonga
- Re: [Coq-Club] Inversion of a Prop Hypothesis,
Bernard Hurley
- Re: [Coq-Club] Inversion of a Prop Hypothesis, Saint Wesonga
- Re: [Coq-Club] Inversion of a Prop Hypothesis,
Chad E Brown
- Re: [Coq-Club] Inversion of a Prop Hypothesis,
Bernard Hurley
- Re: [Coq-Club] Inversion of a Prop Hypothesis, Saint Wesonga
- Re: [Coq-Club] Inversion of a Prop Hypothesis,
Adam Chlipala
- Re: [Coq-Club] Inversion of a Prop Hypothesis,
Bernard Hurley
- Re: [Coq-Club] Inversion of a Prop Hypothesis,
Alan Schmitt
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