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- From: Guillaume Melquiond <guillaume.melquiond AT inria.fr>
- To: Hugo Herbelin <Hugo.Herbelin AT inria.fr>
- Cc: coq-club AT inria.fr
- Subject: Re: [Coq-Club] Proof irrelevance
- Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 08:24:08 +0100
Le lundi 26 novembre 2012 à 07:35 +0100, Hugo Herbelin a écrit :
> If we accept proof-irrelevance on propositional variables, then
>
> f1 := fun (X:Prop) (x1 x2:X) => x1
>
> and
>
> f2 := fun (X:Prop) (x1 x2:X) => x2
>
> are (definitionally) equal. Hence, f1 (Acc R x) p1 p2 and
> f2 (Acc R x) p1 p2 are equal, whatever p1 and p2 proofs of Acc R x are.
> But this would break being relevant on expressions of type Acc R x.
> Or maybe I misunderstood the proposal?
I agree that "f1 (Acc R x) p1 p2" and "f2 (Acc R x) p1 p2" would be
equal. But as I said, by the time the equality of these two expressions
matters (that is, they are used as arguments of a fixpoint), their types
are no longer propositional variables. Their type is Acc R x, and as
such, they are excluded from reducing the fixpoint.
So, let me try to reformulate my question. Is there a way to break
strong normalization (or any other desirable property) by assuming proof
irrelevance yet without using match or fix? If you always need match or
fix, I am under the impression that propositional variables do not
matter since their values cannot be matched upon.
Best regards,
Guillaume
- Re: [Coq-Club] Proof irrelevance, (continued)
- Re: [Coq-Club] Proof irrelevance, Andreas Abel, 11/22/2012
- Re: [Coq-Club] Proof irrelevance, AUGER Cédric, 11/22/2012
- Re: [Coq-Club] Proof irrelevance, Matthieu Sozeau, 11/23/2012
- Re: [Coq-Club] Proof irrelevance, Hugo Herbelin, 11/23/2012
- Re: [Coq-Club] Proof irrelevance, Matthieu Sozeau, 11/24/2012
- Re: [Coq-Club] Proof irrelevance, Hugo Herbelin, 11/24/2012
- Re: [Coq-Club] Proof irrelevance, Andreas Abel, 11/25/2012
- Re: [Coq-Club] Proof irrelevance, Hugo Herbelin, 11/26/2012
- Re: [Coq-Club] Proof irrelevance, Guillaume Melquiond, 11/26/2012
- Re: [Coq-Club] Proof irrelevance, Hugo Herbelin, 11/26/2012
- Re: [Coq-Club] Proof irrelevance, Guillaume Melquiond, 11/26/2012
- Re: [Coq-Club] Proof irrelevance, Arnaud Spiwack, 11/26/2012
- Re: [Coq-Club] Proof irrelevance, Guillaume Melquiond, 11/26/2012
- Re: [Coq-Club] Proof irrelevance, Arnaud Spiwack, 11/26/2012
- Re: [Coq-Club] Proof irrelevance, Hugo Herbelin, 11/24/2012
- Re: [Coq-Club] Proof irrelevance, Matthieu Sozeau, 11/24/2012
- Re: [Coq-Club] Proof irrelevance, Hugo Herbelin, 11/23/2012
- Re: [Coq-Club] Proof irrelevance, Matthieu Sozeau, 11/23/2012
- Re: [Coq-Club] Proof irrelevance, Andreas Abel, 11/26/2012
- Re: [Coq-Club] Proof irrelevance, Frederic Blanqui, 11/27/2012
- Re: [Coq-Club] Proof irrelevance, Andreas Abel, 11/27/2012
- Re: [Coq-Club] Proof irrelevance, Frédéric Blanqui, 11/27/2012
- Re: [Coq-Club] Proof irrelevance, AUGER Cédric, 11/22/2012
- Re: [Coq-Club] Proof irrelevance, Andreas Abel, 11/22/2012
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