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Re: [Coq-Club] A criticism to CIC from the point of view of foundations of mathematics (Voevodsky's argument)
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- From: roconnor AT theorem.ca
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- Subject: Re: [Coq-Club] A criticism to CIC from the point of view of foundations of mathematics (Voevodsky's argument)
- Date: Wed, 2 May 2018 15:52:22 -0700 (PDT)
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On Wed, 2 May 2018, Freek Wiedijk wrote:
Hi Pierre,
But it is still just a matter of being careful right? You can
always reencode a logical system (say S) inside your preferred
one (say T, more expressive than S) as a regular first class
definition.
To give this a little twist: is a classical proof that
a constructive proof exists just as good as having a
constructive proof? Or does the latter give you something
extra?
It is just as good.
A classical proof that a constructive proof exists is a Sigma_1 sentence. By Goedel's Dialetical interpretation all Pi_2 (and hence Sigma_1) sentences provable classically are provable constructively. So it we can mechanically transform it into a constructive proof that a constructive proof exists, from which one can extract said constructive proof.
I'm being a little wishy-washy above, so some terms and conditions may apply.
--
Russell O'Connor <http://r6.ca/>
``All talk about `theft,''' the general counsel of the American Graphophone
Company wrote, ``is the merest claptrap, for there exists no property in
ideas musical, literary or artistic, except as defined by statute.''
- Re: [Coq-Club] A criticism to CIC from the point of view of foundations of mathematics (Voevodsky's argument), (continued)
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- Re: [Coq-Club] A criticism to CIC from the point of view of foundations of mathematics (Voevodsky's argument), Emilio Jesús Gallego Arias, 05/02/2018
- Re: [Coq-Club] A criticism to CIC from the point of view of foundations of mathematics (Voevodsky's argument), Siddharth Bhat, 05/02/2018
- Re: [Coq-Club] A criticism to CIC from the point of view of foundations of mathematics (Voevodsky's argument), Emilio Jesús Gallego Arias, 05/02/2018
- Re: [Coq-Club] A criticism to CIC from the point of view of foundations of mathematics (Voevodsky's argument), Siddharth Bhat, 05/02/2018
- Re: [Coq-Club] A criticism to CIC from the point of view of foundations of mathematics (Voevodsky's argument), Andrej Bauer, 05/02/2018
- Re: [Coq-Club] A criticism to CIC from the point of view of foundations of mathematics (Voevodsky's argument), Adam Chlipala, 05/02/2018
- Re: [Coq-Club] A criticism to CIC from the point of view of foundations of mathematics (Voevodsky's argument), Jose Manuel Rodriguez Caballero, 05/02/2018
- Re: [Coq-Club] A criticism to CIC from the point of view of foundations of mathematics (Voevodsky's argument), Adam Chlipala, 05/02/2018
- Re: [Coq-Club] A criticism to CIC from the point of view of foundations of mathematics (Voevodsky's argument), Pierre Courtieu, 05/02/2018
- Re: [Coq-Club] A criticism to CIC from the point of view of foundations of mathematics (Voevodsky's argument), Freek Wiedijk, 05/02/2018
- Re: [Coq-Club] A criticism to CIC from the point of view of foundations of mathematics (Voevodsky's argument), roconnor, 05/03/2018
- Re: [Coq-Club] A criticism to CIC from the point of view of foundations of mathematics (Voevodsky's argument), Siddharth Bhat, 05/03/2018
- Re: [Coq-Club] A criticism to CIC from the point of view of foundations of mathematics (Voevodsky's argument), Freek Wiedijk, 05/03/2018
- Re: [Coq-Club] A criticism to CIC from the point of view of foundations of mathematics (Voevodsky's argument), roconnor, 05/03/2018
- Re: [Coq-Club] A criticism to CIC from the point of view of foundations of mathematics (Voevodsky's argument), Freek Wiedijk, 05/02/2018
- Re: [Coq-Club] A criticism to CIC from the point of view of foundations of mathematics (Voevodsky's argument), Pierre Courtieu, 05/03/2018
- Re: [Coq-Club] A criticism to CIC from the point of view of foundations of mathematics (Voevodsky's argument), Jose Manuel Rodriguez Caballero, 05/03/2018
- Re: [Coq-Club] A criticism to CIC from the point of view of foundations of mathematics (Voevodsky's argument), ikdc, 05/03/2018
- Re: [Coq-Club] A criticism to CIC from the point of view of foundations of mathematics (Voevodsky's argument), roconnor, 05/03/2018
- Re: [Coq-Club] A criticism to CIC from the point of view of foundations of mathematics (Voevodsky's argument), Harrison, William L., 05/03/2018
- Re: [Coq-Club] A criticism to CIC from the point of view of foundations of mathematics (Voevodsky's argument), Rajeev.Gore, 05/03/2018
- Re: [Coq-Club] A criticism to CIC from the point of view of foundations of mathematics (Voevodsky's argument), Marco Servetto, 05/03/2018
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