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Re: [Coq-Club] A criticism to CIC from the point of view of foundations of mathematics (Voevodsky's argument)
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- From: Siddharth Bhat <siddu.druid AT gmail.com>
- To: "R. Pollack" <rpollack0 AT gmail.com>, Coq-Club Club <coq-club AT inria.fr>
- Subject: Re: [Coq-Club] A criticism to CIC from the point of view of foundations of mathematics (Voevodsky's argument)
- Date: Wed, 02 May 2018 16:40:12 +0000
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What is a "finite" but memory unbounded turing machine? Asking since I have never heard that term before :)
Thanks
Siddharth
-- On Wed 2 May, 2018, 22:08 Emilio Jesús Gallego Arias, <e AT x80.org> wrote:
"R. Pollack" <rpollack0 AT gmail.com> writes:
> Nelson was not as nutty as this might suggest. He took the view that
> natural number induction is not predicative, because one quantifies over
> all natural numbers. In his classic monograph "Predicative Arithmetic" he
> discusses formal systems that are predicative in his sense. IIRC such
> systems do not prove totality of exponentiation, so Godel's Theorem may be
> unprovable.
Just to be clear I wasn't meaning "nutty" [not that I would dare to even
qualify scientist of that caliper] but indeed I was thinking of the
exponentiation story.
IMVHO a system where exponentiation is not total does quality as
"radical", but of course totally acceptable if you are an
ultrafinitist. I think it is safe to assume that all the computational
meta-theory of systems such as Coq takes place in a
finite-but-memory-unbounded Turing machine.
E.
Sending this from my phone, please excuse any typos!
- Re: [Coq-Club] A criticism to CIC from the point of view of foundations of mathematics (Voevodsky's argument), (continued)
- Re: [Coq-Club] A criticism to CIC from the point of view of foundations of mathematics (Voevodsky's argument), José Manuel Rodriguez Caballero, 05/02/2018
- Re: [Coq-Club] A criticism to CIC from the point of view of foundations of mathematics (Voevodsky's argument), Pierre-Yves Strub, 05/02/2018
- Re: [Coq-Club] A criticism to CIC from the point of view of foundations of mathematics (Voevodsky's argument), José Manuel Rodriguez Caballero, 05/02/2018
- Re: [Coq-Club] A criticism to CIC from the point of view of foundations of mathematics (Voevodsky's argument), Emilio Jesús Gallego Arias, 05/02/2018
- Re: [Coq-Club] A criticism to CIC from the point of view of foundations of mathematics (Voevodsky's argument), José Manuel Rodriguez Caballero, 05/02/2018
- Re: [Coq-Club] A criticism to CIC from the point of view of foundations of mathematics (Voevodsky's argument), Emilio Jesús Gallego Arias, 05/02/2018
- Re: [Coq-Club] A criticism to CIC from the point of view of foundations of mathematics (Voevodsky's argument), R. Pollack, 05/02/2018
- Re: [Coq-Club] A criticism to CIC from the point of view of foundations of mathematics (Voevodsky's argument), José Manuel Rodriguez Caballero, 05/02/2018
- Re: [Coq-Club] A criticism to CIC from the point of view of foundations of mathematics (Voevodsky's argument), Arthur Azevedo de Amorim, 05/02/2018
- Re: [Coq-Club] A criticism to CIC from the point of view of foundations of mathematics (Voevodsky's argument), Emilio Jesús Gallego Arias, 05/02/2018
- Re: [Coq-Club] A criticism to CIC from the point of view of foundations of mathematics (Voevodsky's argument), Emilio Jesús Gallego Arias, 05/02/2018
- Re: [Coq-Club] A criticism to CIC from the point of view of foundations of mathematics (Voevodsky's argument), Siddharth Bhat, 05/02/2018
- Re: [Coq-Club] A criticism to CIC from the point of view of foundations of mathematics (Voevodsky's argument), Emilio Jesús Gallego Arias, 05/02/2018
- Re: [Coq-Club] A criticism to CIC from the point of view of foundations of mathematics (Voevodsky's argument), Siddharth Bhat, 05/02/2018
- Re: [Coq-Club] A criticism to CIC from the point of view of foundations of mathematics (Voevodsky's argument), José Manuel Rodriguez Caballero, 05/02/2018
- Re: [Coq-Club] A criticism to CIC from the point of view of foundations of mathematics (Voevodsky's argument), R. Pollack, 05/02/2018
- Re: [Coq-Club] A criticism to CIC from the point of view of foundations of mathematics (Voevodsky's argument), Andrej Bauer, 05/02/2018
- Re: [Coq-Club] A criticism to CIC from the point of view of foundations of mathematics (Voevodsky's argument), Adam Chlipala, 05/02/2018
- Re: [Coq-Club] A criticism to CIC from the point of view of foundations of mathematics (Voevodsky's argument), Jose Manuel Rodriguez Caballero, 05/02/2018
- Re: [Coq-Club] A criticism to CIC from the point of view of foundations of mathematics (Voevodsky's argument), Adam Chlipala, 05/02/2018
- Re: [Coq-Club] A criticism to CIC from the point of view of foundations of mathematics (Voevodsky's argument), Pierre Courtieu, 05/02/2018
- Re: [Coq-Club] A criticism to CIC from the point of view of foundations of mathematics (Voevodsky's argument), Freek Wiedijk, 05/02/2018
- Re: [Coq-Club] A criticism to CIC from the point of view of foundations of mathematics (Voevodsky's argument), roconnor, 05/03/2018
- Re: [Coq-Club] A criticism to CIC from the point of view of foundations of mathematics (Voevodsky's argument), Siddharth Bhat, 05/03/2018
- Re: [Coq-Club] A criticism to CIC from the point of view of foundations of mathematics (Voevodsky's argument), Freek Wiedijk, 05/03/2018
- Re: [Coq-Club] A criticism to CIC from the point of view of foundations of mathematics (Voevodsky's argument), Freek Wiedijk, 05/02/2018
- Re: [Coq-Club] A criticism to CIC from the point of view of foundations of mathematics (Voevodsky's argument), Jose Manuel Rodriguez Caballero, 05/02/2018
- Re: [Coq-Club] A criticism to CIC from the point of view of foundations of mathematics (Voevodsky's argument), Pierre-Yves Strub, 05/02/2018
- Re: [Coq-Club] A criticism to CIC from the point of view of foundations of mathematics (Voevodsky's argument), José Manuel Rodriguez Caballero, 05/02/2018
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