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Re: [Coq-Club] [Metamath] A criticism to CIC from the point of view of foundations of mathematics (Voevodsky's argument)
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- From: José Manuel Rodriguez Caballero <josephcmac AT gmail.com>
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- Subject: Re: [Coq-Club] [Metamath] A criticism to CIC from the point of view of foundations of mathematics (Voevodsky's argument)
- Date: Fri, 4 May 2018 22:54:17 +0200
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Emilio said
I am not sure what do you mean, the paper is very clear in that every
strategy is a winning strategy (Thm. 2.(i))
Read page 291 in the paper
Kirby, Laurie, and Jeff Paris. "Accessible independence results for Peano arithmetic." Bulletin of the London Mathematical Society 14.4 (1982): 285-293. http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.107.3303&rep=rep1&type=pdf
There is an initial segment M of first-order Peano Arithmetic (denoted just P in this paper) such that no interval [1, y] is omega_c-large. Furthermore, it says how to define such a model, formalizing in Peano arithmetic a certain theorem about rapidly increasing functions due to Ketonen and Solovay (it can be done in O'Connor simulation of first-order Peano arithmetic). You suppose that every Goodstein sequence terminates and you deduce from this fact that there is an interval [1, y] which is omega_c - large. Because we are in classical logic, it follows that there exists a Goodstein sequence which does not terminate.
I'm just focus on CategoryTheory from UniMath in order to formalize in Coq my favorite model of arithmetic:
Moerdijk, Ieke. "A model for intuitionistic non-standard arithmetic." (1995). http://repository.ubn.ru.nl/bitstream/handle/2066/129065/129065.pdf?sequence=1
I'm trying to formalize in UniMath (using Coq) the unprovability of Goodstein's theorem in higher-order Heyting arithmetic, following a topos theoretic approach. My motivation to read Russell's paper was to try to do it in his first-order system, but I think that the first-order logic is not essential in Moerdijk's approach. Of course, it will be not the original Kirby & Paris theorem, but a free version in Coq.
By the way, Emilio, do you think that the incompleteness of arithmetic can be mechanized in Coq without simulating first-order logic? I think that you can repeat the Gödel-Rosser argument by coding CiC by Gödel numbers. I do not see why first-order logic is essential here.
If higher-order arithmetic is incomplete, then in particular first-order arithmetic is incomplete too. I wonder if there could be some simplifications...
- Re: [Coq-Club] A criticism to CIC from the point of view of foundations of mathematics (Voevodsky's argument), (continued)
- Re: [Coq-Club] A criticism to CIC from the point of view of foundations of mathematics (Voevodsky's argument), José Manuel Rodriguez Caballero, 05/03/2018
- Re: [Coq-Club] A criticism to CIC from the point of view of foundations of mathematics (Voevodsky's argument), Andrej Bauer, 05/03/2018
- Re: [Coq-Club] A criticism to CIC from the point of view of foundations of mathematics (Voevodsky's argument), Jose Manuel Rodriguez Caballero, 05/03/2018
- Re: [Coq-Club] A criticism to CIC from the point of view of foundations of mathematics (Voevodsky's argument), roconnor, 05/03/2018
- Re: [Coq-Club] A criticism to CIC from the point of view of foundations of mathematics (Voevodsky's argument), roconnor, 05/03/2018
- Re: [Coq-Club] A criticism to CIC from the point of view of foundations of mathematics (Voevodsky's argument), Andrej Bauer, 05/03/2018
- Re: [Coq-Club] A criticism to CIC from the point of view of foundations of mathematics (Voevodsky's argument), Ken Kubota, 05/03/2018
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- Re: [Coq-Club] [Metamath] A criticism to CIC from the point of view of foundations of mathematics (Voevodsky's argument), Ken Kubota, 05/03/2018
- Re: [Coq-Club] [Metamath] A criticism to CIC from the point of view of foundations of mathematics (Voevodsky's argument), José Manuel Rodriguez Caballero, 05/04/2018
- Re: [Coq-Club] [Metamath] A criticism to CIC from the point of view of foundations of mathematics (Voevodsky's argument), Emilio Jesús Gallego Arias, 05/04/2018
- Re: [Coq-Club] [Metamath] A criticism to CIC from the point of view of foundations of mathematics (Voevodsky's argument), José Manuel Rodriguez Caballero, 05/04/2018
- Re: [Coq-Club] [Metamath] A criticism to CIC from the point of view of foundations of mathematics (Voevodsky's argument), Emilio Jesús Gallego Arias, 05/05/2018
- Re: [Coq-Club] [Metamath] A criticism to CIC from the point of view of foundations of mathematics (Voevodsky's argument), roconnor, 05/05/2018
- Re: [Coq-Club] [Metamath] A criticism to CIC from the point of view of foundations of mathematics (Voevodsky's argument), José Manuel Rodriguez Caballero, 05/05/2018
- Re: [Coq-Club] [Metamath] A criticism to CIC from the point of view of foundations of mathematics (Voevodsky's argument), Emilio Jesús Gallego Arias, 05/05/2018
- Re: [Coq-Club] [Metamath] A criticism to CIC from the point of view of foundations of mathematics (Voevodsky's argument), José Manuel Rodriguez Caballero, 05/05/2018
- Re: [Coq-Club] A criticism to CIC from the point of view of foundations of mathematics (Voevodsky's argument), Tadeusz Litak, 05/05/2018
- Re: [Coq-Club] A criticism to CIC from the point of view of foundations of mathematics (Voevodsky's argument), José Manuel Rodriguez Caballero, 05/05/2018
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