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- From: Vincent Semeria <vincent.semeria AT gmail.com>
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- Subject: Re: [Coq-Club] Non standard natural numbers
- Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2021 15:53:43 +0200
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How do these non standard integers cope with the normalization property of Coq? A non standard integer would compute to an infinite sequence of successors, so it does not terminate.
Is it a property of Coq that all definable nat terms are standard? If so, how is "standard" defined?
On Wed, Jun 2, 2021, 22:25 roux cody <cody.roux AT gmail.com> wrote:
Sure, I mean your notional proof that the axiom schema is consistent.On Wed, Jun 2, 2021 at 4:10 PM Evan Marzion <emarzion AT gmail.com> wrote:By induction, c is greater than n for all n. Thus, c > c, a contradiction.On Wed, Jun 2, 2021 at 2:53 PM Vincent Semeria <vincent.semeria AT gmail.com> wrote:Dear Coq club,Is it possible to axiomatize a term c : nat, such as c is greater than all standard natural numbers ? The first 2 lines are easy,Axiom c : nat.
Axiom c_gt0 : 0 < c.But then, could we consistently add this axiom ?Axiom c_non_standard : forall n:nat, n < c -> S n < c.If the last axiom is not consistent, we could modify Coq's type checker to interpret all names of the form c_gtSSSS...S0 as closed terms of the corresponding types SSSS...S0 < c. I am pretty sure that these terms are consistent, because if they introduced a proof of False, that proof would be a finite lambda-term with only a finite number of these c_gt terms. Then c could be replaced by the greatest of these terms, and we would obtain a proof of False in basic Coq.
- [Coq-Club] Non standard natural numbers, Vincent Semeria, 06/02/2021
- Re: [Coq-Club] Non standard natural numbers, roux cody, 06/02/2021
- Re: [Coq-Club] Non standard natural numbers, Evan Marzion, 06/02/2021
- Re: [Coq-Club] Non standard natural numbers, Vincent Semeria, 06/02/2021
- Re: [Coq-Club] Non standard natural numbers, roux cody, 06/02/2021
- Re: [Coq-Club] Non standard natural numbers, Vincent Semeria, 06/03/2021
- Re: [Coq-Club] Non standard natural numbers, Eddy Westbrook, 06/03/2021
- Re: [Coq-Club] Non standard natural numbers, Vincent Semeria, 06/03/2021
- Re: [Coq-Club] Non standard natural numbers, roux cody, 06/03/2021
- Re: [Coq-Club] Non standard natural numbers, Ralf Jung, 06/03/2021
- Re: [Coq-Club] Non standard natural numbers, Eddy Westbrook, 06/03/2021
- Re: [Coq-Club] Non standard natural numbers, roux cody, 06/03/2021
- Re: [Coq-Club] Non standard natural numbers, Thorsten Altenkirch, 06/03/2021
- Re: [Coq-Club] Non standard natural numbers, roux cody, 06/03/2021
- Re: [Coq-Club] Non standard natural numbers, Ralf Jung, 06/04/2021
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- Re: [Coq-Club] Non standard natural numbers, Ralf Jung, 06/04/2021
- Re: [Coq-Club] Non standard natural numbers, roux cody, 06/03/2021
- Re: [Coq-Club] Non standard natural numbers, Vincent Semeria, 06/03/2021
- Re: [Coq-Club] Non standard natural numbers, Eddy Westbrook, 06/03/2021
- Re: [Coq-Club] Non standard natural numbers, Vincent Semeria, 06/03/2021
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