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- From: Ramkumar Ramachandra <artagnon AT gmail.com>
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- Subject: Re: [Coq-Club] Fwd: "Lean is like Coq but better"
- Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2020 19:27:17 +0100
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[For those not following closely: Law of Excluded Middle can be derived from Axiom of Choice + a couple of extensionality axioms]
Sure, Axiom of Choice useful to prove that every ideal is contained within a maximal ideal (the argument is known as Zorn’s lemma, math.AC), and Tychonoff's compactness theorem (math.GN) is essentially equivalent to the axiom. However, in Algebraic Geometry, one works with Noetherian rings, for which the weaker Axiom of Dependent Choice is sufficient.
What’s the harm in having Axiom of Choice turned on by default? Two things. First, it has consequences that are simply untrue, for instance, in Lie categories. Second, picking axioms that are stronger-than-necessary to do a mathematical proof is unacceptable.
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Since I highlighted Differential Geometry in my previous note, let us look at an example that seems particularly tricky to formalize in our current proof-assistant world: the elliptization conjecture (commonly known as the Poincaré conjecture), which was solved by Perelman in 2003, over a span of three papers (https://arxiv.org/search/?query=grisha+perelman&searchtype=author&abstracts=show&order=-announced_date_first&size=50). Incidentally, Perelman was awarded a Fields Medal for his work.
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Coq’s math-comp is an axiom-free formalization.
Sure, Axiom of Choice useful to prove that every ideal is contained within a maximal ideal (the argument is known as Zorn’s lemma, math.AC), and Tychonoff's compactness theorem (math.GN) is essentially equivalent to the axiom. However, in Algebraic Geometry, one works with Noetherian rings, for which the weaker Axiom of Dependent Choice is sufficient.
What’s the harm in having Axiom of Choice turned on by default? Two things. First, it has consequences that are simply untrue, for instance, in Lie categories. Second, picking axioms that are stronger-than-necessary to do a mathematical proof is unacceptable.
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Since I highlighted Differential Geometry in my previous note, let us look at an example that seems particularly tricky to formalize in our current proof-assistant world: the elliptization conjecture (commonly known as the Poincaré conjecture), which was solved by Perelman in 2003, over a span of three papers (https://arxiv.org/search/?query=grisha+perelman&searchtype=author&abstracts=show&order=-announced_date_first&size=50). Incidentally, Perelman was awarded a Fields Medal for his work.
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Coq’s math-comp is an axiom-free formalization.
R.
- Re: [Coq-Club] Fwd: "Lean is like Coq but better", (continued)
- Re: [Coq-Club] Fwd: "Lean is like Coq but better", Xuanrui Qi, 01/07/2020
- Re: [Coq-Club] Fwd: "Lean is like Coq but better", Bas Spitters, 01/07/2020
- Re: [Coq-Club] Fwd: "Lean is like Coq but better", Thorsten Altenkirch, 01/07/2020
- Re: [Coq-Club] Fwd: "Lean is like Coq but better", Ramkumar Ramachandra, 01/07/2020
- Re: [Coq-Club] Fwd: "Lean is like Coq but better", jonikelee AT gmail.com, 01/08/2020
- Re: [Coq-Club] Fwd: "Lean is like Coq but better", Mario Carneiro, 01/08/2020
- Re: [Coq-Club] Fwd: "Lean is like Coq but better", jonikelee AT gmail.com, 01/08/2020
- Re: [Coq-Club] Fwd: "Lean is like Coq but better", Jason Gross, 01/08/2020
- Re: [Coq-Club] Fwd: "Lean is like Coq but better", jonikelee AT gmail.com, 01/08/2020
- Re: [Coq-Club] Fwd: "Lean is like Coq but better", Sylvain Boulmé, 01/08/2020
- Re: [Coq-Club] Fwd: "Lean is like Coq but better", Ramkumar Ramachandra, 01/08/2020
- Re: [Coq-Club] Fwd: "Lean is like Coq but better", Kevin Buzzard, 01/09/2020
- Re: [Coq-Club] Fwd: "Lean is like Coq but better", Florent Hivert, 01/09/2020
- Re: [Coq-Club] Fwd: "Lean is like Coq but better", Timothy Carstens, 01/09/2020
- Re: [Coq-Club] Fwd: "Lean is like Coq but better", Conor McBride, 01/09/2020
- Re: [Coq-Club] Fwd: "Lean is like Coq but better", Timothy Carstens, 01/09/2020
- Re: [Coq-Club] Fwd: "Lean is like Coq but better", Conor McBride, 01/09/2020
- Re: [Coq-Club] Fwd: "Lean is like Coq but better", Kinan Dak Albab, 01/09/2020
- Re: [Coq-Club] Fwd: "Lean is like Coq but better", jonikelee AT gmail.com, 01/09/2020
- Re: [Coq-Club] Fwd: "Lean is like Coq but better", Théo Zimmermann, 01/09/2020
- Re: [Coq-Club] Fwd: "Lean is like Coq but better", Ramkumar Ramachandra, 01/09/2020
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