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- From: Thorsten Altenkirch <Thorsten.Altenkirch AT nottingham.ac.uk>
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- Subject: Re: [Coq-Club] Non standard natural numbers
- Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2021 06:13:06 +0000
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It boils down what we mean by a function. I mean that it should be possible
in principle to construct an output for every input. It may not be feasible
but this is very hard to make precise and depends on technological
development. As a consequence the Boolean semantics of classical logic
doesn’t work because we cannot not compute a Boolean for formulas in
predicate logic. However the propositions as types translation works fine.
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> On 4 Jun 2021, at 00:06, Tadeusz Litak <tadeusz.litak AT gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Emilio (and others),
>
>> On 3/6/21 8:18 PM, Emilio Jesús Gallego Arias wrote:
>> Another way to look at it is that replacing the axiom scheme from PA by
>> a single, second order induction principle usually rules out
>> non-standard models.
>
> that depends on one's stance on Henkin-style models.
>
> Full second-order logic cannot be axiomatized. So even if one states the
> induction principle with second-order quantification, the kind of
> (non-standard, Henkin) models that one rules out depends on
> instantiation/substitution rules postulated for that second-order
> quantifiers. There is no end to it, as long as one insists that the set of
> rules/axioms remains decidable.
>
> Incidentally, there are weak fragments of PA, such as Robinson's Q, which
> is finitely axiomatizable and yet allows suitable variants of Gödel's
> incompleteness theorems. I'm not up-to-date: did Robinson arithmetic appear
> in any relevant Coq formalization?
>
>
> Best,
>
> t.
>
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- Re: [Coq-Club] Non standard natural numbers, (continued)
- Re: [Coq-Club] Non standard natural numbers, roux cody, 06/03/2021
- Re: [Coq-Club] Non standard natural numbers, Thorsten Altenkirch, 06/03/2021
- Re: [Coq-Club] Non standard natural numbers, roux cody, 06/03/2021
- Re: [Coq-Club] Non standard natural numbers, Ralf Jung, 06/04/2021
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- Re: [Coq-Club] Non standard natural numbers, Ralf Jung, 06/04/2021
- Re: [Coq-Club] Non standard natural numbers, Tadeusz Litak, 06/04/2021
- Re: [Coq-Club] Non standard natural numbers, Dominik Kirst, 06/04/2021
- Re: [Coq-Club] Non standard natural numbers, Thorsten Altenkirch, 06/05/2021
- Re: [Coq-Club] Non standard natural numbers, Vincent Semeria, 06/04/2021
- Re: [Coq-Club] Non standard natural numbers, Vincent Semeria, 06/07/2021
- Re: [Coq-Club] Non standard natural numbers, Slavomir Kaslev, 06/08/2021
- Re: [Coq-Club] Non standard natural numbers, Vincent Semeria, 06/08/2021
- Re: [Coq-Club] Non standard natural numbers, roux cody, 06/08/2021
- Re: [Coq-Club] Non standard natural numbers, Vincent Semeria, 06/08/2021
- Re: [Coq-Club] Non standard natural numbers, Slavomir Kaslev, 06/08/2021
- RE: [Coq-Club] Non standard natural numbers, Marc Hermes, 06/07/2021
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