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- From: Stefan Monnier <monnier AT iro.umontreal.ca>
- To: Thorsten Altenkirch <Thorsten.Altenkirch AT nottingham.ac.uk>
- Cc: Bas Spitters <b.a.w.spitters AT gmail.com>, Kevin Buzzard <kevin.m.buzzard AT gmail.com>, coq-club AT inria.fr, lean-user <lean-user AT googlegroups.com>, agda-list <agda AT lists.chalmers.se>, "coq+miscellaneous AT discoursemail.com" <coq+miscellaneous AT discoursemail.com>
- Subject: Re: [Coq-Club] [Agda] [lean-user] Re: Why dependent type theory?
- Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2020 13:01:06 -0400
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> I think it should be possible to have both features, that is simulate
> definitional proof-irrelevance which is basically "extensional" type theory
> on the set level via a powerful tactic but don't put this into the
> foundations of the proof system.
I'm not sure how that can work.
IIUC you're suggesting to distinguish the proof-relevant equality `Eq(T) A B`
from the proof-irrelevant equality `isSet T ∧ Eq(T) A B`, and
then arrange for tactics to automatically provide the `isSet T` proof.
Personally, I'm not so much interested in proof-irrelevance as I'm
interested in erasing proofs, and the above doesn't seem able to
distinguish a proof that `α` is *equal* to `Nat` from one where `α` is
*equivalent* to `Nat` (where *equal* means that an object of
type `F α` can be cast at no runtime cost to type `F Nat` where
*equivalent* means that such a conversion can be made for all `F` but
it's not guaranteed to be a no-op).
Stefan
- Re: [Coq-Club] [Agda] Why dependent type theory?, (continued)
- Re: [Coq-Club] [Agda] Why dependent type theory?, Steven Shaw, 03/03/2020
- Re: [Coq-Club] [Agda] Why dependent type theory?, Martin Escardo, 03/03/2020
- Re: [Coq-Club] [Agda] Why dependent type theory?, Sylvain Boulmé, 03/04/2020
- Re: [Coq-Club] [Agda] Why dependent type theory?, Kevin Buzzard, 03/05/2020
- Re: [Coq-Club] [lean-user] Re: [Agda] Why dependent type theory?, Bas Spitters, 03/08/2020
- Re: [Coq-Club] [Agda] [lean-user] Re: Why dependent type theory?, Thorsten Altenkirch, 03/12/2020
- Re: [Coq-Club] [Agda] [lean-user] Re: Why dependent type theory?, Mario Carneiro, 03/13/2020
- Re: [Coq-Club] [Agda] [lean-user] Re: Why dependent type theory?, Kevin Buzzard, 03/13/2020
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- Re: [Coq-Club] [Agda] [lean-user] Re: Why dependent type theory?, Bas Spitters, 03/17/2020
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- Re: [Coq-Club] [Agda] [lean-user] Re: Why dependent type theory?, Thorsten Altenkirch, 03/18/2020
- Re: [Coq-Club] [Agda] [lean-user] Re: Why dependent type theory?, Thorsten Altenkirch, 03/12/2020
- Re: [Coq-Club] [Agda] [lean-user] Re: Why dependent type theory?, Stefan Monnier, 03/15/2020
- Re: [Coq-Club] [lean-user] Re: [Agda] Why dependent type theory?, Bas Spitters, 03/08/2020
- Re: [Coq-Club] Why dependent type theory?, Guillaume Melquiond, 03/04/2020
- Re: [Coq-Club] Why dependent type theory?, Dominique Larchey-Wendling, 03/04/2020
- Re: [Coq-Club] Why dependent type theory?, Pierre Courtieu, 03/04/2020
- Re: [Coq-Club] Why dependent type theory?, Jeremy Dawson, 03/04/2020
- Re: [Coq-Club] Why dependent type theory?, Dominique Larchey-Wendling, 03/04/2020
- Re: [Coq-Club] Why dependent type theory?, Makarius, 03/04/2020
- Re: [Coq-Club] Why dependent type theory?, Pierre-Marie Pédrot, 03/04/2020
- Re: [Coq-Club] Why dependent type theory?, Thorsten Altenkirch, 03/04/2020
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