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- From: jean-francois.monin AT imag.fr
- To: Jason Hickey <jyh AT cs.caltech.edu>
- Cc: coq-club AT pauillac.inria.fr, Study group on Mechanized Metatheory for the Masses <provers AT lists.seas.upenn.edu>
- Subject: Re: [Coq-Club] Extensional Equality for Function Types
- Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 23:27:56 +0100
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Xavier quoted, from the FAQ :
« Extensionality of functions is an axiom in, say set theory, but from
a programing point of view, extensionality cannot be a priori accepted
since it would identify, say programs such as mergesort and
quicksort. »
The relation with time complexity is not very clear here since
mergesort and quicksort are both O(n*log n) "in most practical
cases". They are just completely different algorithms.
Jean-Francois Monin
Jason Hickey a ecrit :
> Xavier Leroy wrote:
> > So, I don't quite see why functional extensionality "cannot be
> > accepted from a programming point of view", but the above
> > identification can...
>
> It does seem strange that the argument against function extensionality
> would be based on computational complexity. Another example might be
>
> fst (e1, e2) = e1
>
> which "forgets" about an arbitrarily complex computation e2. However,
> if evaluation is lazy then the equivalence does hold (and Xavier's two
> power functions are also equivalent).
>
> Function extensionality can of course be very useful. For example,
> suppose we interpret records as functions from labels to values. The
> encoding is elegant and has many nice properties. Without
> extensionality, statements like the following become very tedious to prove.
>
> { { r with x = 1 } with y = 2 } = { { r with y = 2 } with x = 1 }
>
> I think the user might be unhappy to find that he has to account for the
> computational complexity of his record operations. In any case, I would
> expect that there are other arguments against function extensionality.
>
> BTW, Constable and Crary have an explicit account of computational
> complexity in type theory:
>
> Computational Complexity and Induction for Partial Computable
> Functions in Type Theory, Constable and Crary, 2002.
> http://www.nuprl.org/documents/Constable/01complexity.html
>
> Jason
>
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- [Coq-Club] Extensional Equality for Function Types, Steve Zdancewic
- Re: [Coq-Club] Extensional Equality for Function Types,
Conor McBride
- Re: [Coq-Club] Extensional Equality for Function Types,
Benjamin Werner
- Re: [Coq-Club] Extensional Equality for Function Types, Conor McBride
- Re: [Coq-Club] Extensional Equality for Function Types,
Benjamin Werner
- Re: [Coq-Club] Extensional Equality for Function Types, Haixing Hu
- Re: [Coq-Club] Extensional Equality for Function Types,
Xavier Leroy
- Re: [Coq-Club] Extensional Equality for Function Types,
Jason Hickey
- Re: [Coq-Club] Extensional Equality for Function Types, jean-francois . monin
- Re: [Coq-Club] Extensional Equality for Function Types,
Jason Hickey
- Re: [Coq-Club] Extensional Equality for Function Types,
roconnor
- Re: [Coq-Club] Extensional Equality for Function Types,
Conor McBride
- Re: [Coq-Club] Extensional Equality for Function Types, Jason Hickey
- Re: [Coq-Club] Extensional Equality for Function Types, Frederic Blanqui
- Re: [Coq-Club] Extensional Equality for Function Types,
Conor McBride
- Re: [Coq-Club] Extensional Equality for Function Types,
roconnor
- Re: [Coq-Club] Extensional Equality for Function Types,
Jason Hickey
- Re: [Coq-Club] Extensional Equality for Function Types, jean-francois . monin
- Re: [Coq-Club] Extensional Equality for Function Types, Benjamin Werner
- Re: [Coq-Club] Extensional Equality for Function Types,
Jason Hickey
- Re: [Coq-Club] Extensional Equality for Function Types,
Conor McBride
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